What is the Tom Brady diet plan? Is it really the secret sauce behind the massive success of the New England Patriots quarterback, who’s colloquially known as the Greatest of All Time? Or, is it just a single piece of a complex puzzle, or worse, just a bunch of marketing hype? In this episode of the BioTrust Radio health and fitness podcast, Shawn and Tim reveal their thoughts on alkaline diets—which have become wildly popular thanks to endorsements from celebrities and athletes—break down the building blocks of success, talk vegetarianism, and more!
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In this episode of the BioTrust Radio health and fitness podcast, Shawn and Tim look to set the record straight about the Tom Brady diet plan. While it’s been around for quite some time, the alkaline diet has most recently been garnering attention thanks to the New England Patriots quarterback (known by many as the Greatest of All Time, or GOAT for short), who revealed the details of his diet in his recent book The TB12 Method: How to Achieve a Lifetime of Sustained Peak Performance.
While the book leaves no question that the alkaline diet has been crucial to Brady’s success—and that alone is believable and enough evidence for most—it begs the question: Does the science really support the lofty claims related to the Tom Brady diet plan?
Tune in as Shawn and Tim take a deep dive into the Tom Brady diet plan and the alkaline diet in general. Here’s what you can expect in this episode of the BioTrust Radio podcast:
– Quote: “Life is 10% what happens to you and 90% how you react to it.” – Charles R. Swindoll
– Quote: “The one who falls and gets up is stronger than the one who never fell.” – Roy T. Bennett
– Book: The Obstacle is the Way by Ryan Holiday
● Who is Tom Brady? Why is he known as the GOAT?
● What is the Tom Brady diet plan? What is the alkaline diet?
● What does it mean if a food is acidic or alkaline? What foods are included in the Tom Brady diet plan?
● What’s the best example of opposite of the Tom Brady diet plan? What are the negative effects of eating an acidic diet?
● What about keto? Is it really the antithesis of the Tom Brady diet plan?
● What’s the real secret to the Tom Brady diet plan? Hint…it’s not what you may be led to believe.
● More importantly, what are the real secrets to Tom Brady’s success?
● What’s the mindset flip that you need to make to unleash your full potential?
● Who do you need to surround yourself with to be your best?
● What’s the great-tasting Plant Protein supplement that the BioTrust R&D team has been working so diligently on?
● What’s the number one question you need to ask yourself to succeed?
● What’s the difference between being vegan, vegetarian, and flexitarian?
● And much, much more!
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Tom Brady Diet Plan
Shawn: All right. We’re back at BioTrust Radio for another episode. We want to just say, quickly, so a podcast—which is what we are—is this thing where we get on every week and have a 30‑minute episode. Thirty minutes seems ideal. I think that’s not too much to ask for you people out there, amazing BioTrust friendly people, to listen to something that promotes health and wellbeing, which hopefully adds value to your life and should be pretty quick. I know you watch 30‑minute television episodes, but this should be even more flexible for you to listen to, like when you’re in your car, when you’re working out, as you’re just rolling out of bed in the morning. We can be with you, and we treasure that idea. So, hopefully we’re giving you value every week and we’re answering the questions that you want answered, and we’re providing the content that you want to listen to. But if you want to provide us more direction, ask us more questions, then please go to the BioTrust VIP area on Facebook or check out our blog. You can get Tim Skwiat, my partner and show host, to answer questions, and myself, Shawn Wells.
We have an interesting one today. I love to start out with either a question that someone’s asked or a quote. But let’s get into this with a quote. Last time we talked about stoic-type quotes, and I’m a big fan of that. And we’ll explain what that is in a second. But on the last show we said, “Life is 10% of what happens to you and 90% of how you react to it,” by Charles R. Swindoll, which is a great quote. And that’s kind of the stoic mindset. Ryan Holiday wrote a book called, “The Obstacle Is The Way“. And I have another quote here that says, “The one who falls and gets up is so much stronger than the one who never fell,” so don’t feel drained by what you might call a failure or drained by these obstacles. These are the things that are building you up, that are making you better, that are making someone great. That’s where greatness is achieved. It’s through the difficulty.
Just think about when you go to the gym. What is it you do? You don’t just sit there. You take on difficulty, and what happens? You make a better body, you get more muscle, you get less fat, you get healthier, you get better balance, you get better muscle innervation, like that mind-muscle connection. You get stress relief. Right? Because you’re better at dealing with stress. So, taking on those difficulties and looking at them as a positive, that’s it’s building a better you, can change your life. Literally can change your life. How you perceive your life can make a better life. It’s 10% of what’s happening to you in your life. It’s 10% of if you get that great job, if you get all that money, if you were beautiful, if you were this, if you were that. And it’s 90% how you perceive it. So take on those difficulties, take on those challenges and relish them because it’s making a better you.
I just wanted to throw that out there. And let’s get into it, Tim. Let’s talk about alkaline diets and the Tom Brady diet plan, which are interesting. Just a quick little thing on Tom Brady. If you don’t know who Tom Brady is, I guess you haven’t watched football. But he’s literally known as “the Goat,” which is the G‑O‑A‑T, the Greatest of All Time. And I think a lot of people, almost default, consider him that now. It’s not even really debated. Let me go through his highlights. Five time Super Bowl champion, four time Super Bowl MVP, 12 time Pro Bowl, two times First Team All Pro, two times Second Team All Pro, two time NFL Most Valuable Player, two time NFL Offensive Player of the Year, NFL Comeback Player of the Year, Bert Bell Award, Associated Press Male Athlete of the Year, Sports Illustrated Sportsman of the Year, two times NFL Passing Yards Leader, four times NFL Passing Touchdown Leader, two times NFL Passing Rating Leader, NFL 2000’s All-Decade Team National Champion. I mean, it’s staggering.
Then let’s talk about his age. He is 40 years old and he’s still the best. This season, like almost every season, people are picking the Patriots to win the Super Bowl. I know some people are like, “Oh, my god. Stop. He’s too good. The team is too good. It’s annoying. Can someone else please win?” Some people feel like that, I know. But there is something to be said for his level of success. And to playing a very difficult, very physical game at this age is incredible, it’s unprecedented.
Tim: At that level.
Shawn: At that level. It’s unprecedented. So what is he eating? Now you want to break down everything he’s doing, like what’s his secret?
Shawn: So that’s what everyone does. What’s the Tom Brady diet plan? What’s the alkaline diet? So, let’s talk about that. Maybe you can break down what that means, Tim, because there’s pH, acidic, and alkaline. What does that mean? What does alkaline diet mean and what are the basic thoughts around it? Can you explain it?
Tim: Yeah. Before we get into that, just to give Tom Brady a big chunk of credit because I think he defines that quote that you said at the beginning, very well.
Tim: He’s not the type of person or type of athlete where something has just been handed to him. You can tell he works hard.
Shawn: He was drafted in the fifth round or something?
Tim: Seventh. But he was the guy, when he had an opportunity, he shined. He was ready to go.
Tim: I love his work ethic, and I just wanted to point out that he’s one of those guys that he’s fallen, and he’s Comeback Player of the Year.
Shawn: Right, right.
Tim: So, he’s really fallen hard at times.
Shawn: Yeah, exactly. An incredible player, without a doubt, worthy of all the acclaim, and worthy of asking the questions of what does he do. We always want to know. Like what does Bill Gates do? What does Warren Buffet do? What does Michael Jordan do? These great people in our lives and in the history. What is it they do to achieve the success, or maintain that success? What are they eating? What’s the Tom Brady diet plan?
Shawn: So one of the things, as we said, is the alkaline diet that has been popularized because of all the talk around the Tom Brady diet plan, and a lot of people have popularized along with him because they say, “Well, he’s super-healthy, so it must be great.” And there’s some rationale there, but is it true? Is it all scientific? So let’s get into that.
Tim: Yeah, that’s a good question. Like you talked about, Shawn, the body has this pH. We talked about homeostasis before and it prefers to operate within this very tight window, in terms of a pH. Anything above that pH is considered alkaline, and anything below that pH is considered acidic. So, acidic pH, foods are generally classified as acidic or alkaline, and I’ll get into how that classification goes. But basically, an acidic environment has been kind of linked to a laundry list of health issues ranging from fatigue to actual diseases.
You want to be at that right pH, and being below the pH would not be good. An extreme example is like diabetic ketoacidosis or something like that. It’s very unhealthy, so it’s an acidic state. We’re not gonna be talking about that, specifically.
Shawn: There’s states, though, that you can be too alkaline, like alkalosis, right?
Tim: Yes, exactly.
Shawn: So, there’s your kidneys, your respiratory, and your blood. There’s scenarios that are very scary when you get outside of that homeostatic range that can be a disease state. Like you’re saying, that’s acidosis or alkalosis, and those are never good to be in. So this is an interesting one about alkaline foods.
Tim: Right. And so the foods are generally classified as alkaline or acidic, based on something called the Potential Renal Acid Load, this PRAL score, which basically is just kind of like this estimated score of the systemic acid load on the body. So, by and large, let’s put it this way, the alkaline nutrients in the diet are going to be things like magnesium, potassium, and calcium. So those are considered alkalizing nutrients. So, foods that are high in those tend to be plant-based foods; lots of fruits and vegetables and things like that. They tend to have these alkaline scores, so to speak.
Whereas things like protein and phosphorus have an acidic effect, or at least according this PRAL score that they’re acidic. So, they’re meats and cheeses, and things like that, that tend to have more acidic scores. Not just that, but like all these processed foods tend to be acidic. So the Tom Brady diet plan really emphasizes eating more of these alkaline foods and few, if any, acidic foods.
Shawn: I already feel like there’s some reasons that maybe we can doubt something here, but I’ll let you continue.
Tim: The primary example or an excellent example of an acidic type of diet would be the Western typical, standard American diet.
Shawn: Right, right.
Tim: Some people have said that because it’s so acidic that these are why we’re having all these problems, these health problems. Well, there’s a lot of reasons why there may be a lot of health problems associated with the standard American diet or Western style diet. Can we tease out that it’s just the acidic nature?
Shawn: Acidic versus alkaline?
Shawn: And then on the flip side, wow, eating a bunch of vegetables and fruits makes you healthier. Is it because they’re alkaline or is it because you’re eating fruits and vegetables and whole foods, and people that tend to overeat fruits and vegetables tend to choose organic, tend to make healthier options with other foods, tend to probably exercise more, and think more about their decisions, right? Because they’re choosing foods that are not the bliss point type foods.
Shawn: They’re not choosing candy bars and bacon and all these crazy things, they’re choosing fruits and vegetables. So, how many other decisions that are healthy are they making throughout their life?
Tim: Yeah, and I think that’s the point, really, Shawn, is that I don’t know that the effectiveness of the Tom Brady diet plan comes down to this alkalinity or acidity so much as what I would call the nutrition body of work. For the majority people, I think we could probably stand to eat more whole plant‑based foods, especially more fruits and vegetables which have these antioxidants, these polyphenols that have anti-inflammatory, antioxidant effects. And things like oxidative stress and inflammation are the things that really drive aging, disease, and things like that. So the more of these nutrient-dense plant-based foods that you’re eating, the more likely that you are going to be healthy.
Shawn: The flipside though, you can still make healthy decisions and be eating almost all meat.
Shawn: And be keto, like a carnivore. Carnivores aren’t dying of terrible diseases left and right, are they? I mean, herbivores can be healthy, like these plant eating animals, and carnivores can be healthy. But they’re not eating processed Western, standard American diet-type foods. They’re not eating sugar and McDonald’s and french fries and whatever these animals aren’t eating, right?
So, to me, it’s about whole food. It always comes back to eating whole food, whether you’re like keto, whether you’re vegan. I think you can be healthy eating just meat and cheeses and nuts, and you could be healthy eating fruits and vegetables and whatever. Or you can be healthy eating a combination of all that. But certainly, if you look at keto, which should be super acidic because it’s a lot of meat.
Shawn: Oops. If you look at the data, it’s anti-inflammatory. There’s actually reduced oxidation that’s happening. You have anti-aging with the SIRT genes and lower CRP, which is the inflammation. And you have lower hemoglobin A1c, which is blood sugar damage to cells. So, if you look at all the markers of aging and cellular damage and all these kinds of things, they’re all improved with keto. So, I feel like this acidic/alkaline thing kind of gets thrown out there, and it’s really more about like what we’re saying. What is it you’re eating? And yes, if you look at acidic with the Western diet or the standard American diet, yeah, you’re eating crappy. It’s not the acidic thing as much as it is that you’re eating hamburgers and you’re eating whatever; all this processed stuff that have sugars and preservatives and all these things that are bliss point drivers, that you overeat.
Going back to a point we made on prior shows, if you’re eating whole foods and plant‑based foods, even if they are meats, it’s harder to overeat them if they’re not processed foods. Right?
Shawn: I mean, it’s so much easier to overeat chips and cereal and cookies and ice cream, and all this stuff that does have bliss point that is processed foods, that’s adding complexity to looking at this acid and alkaline. But if you’re eating whole foods, you’re not going to overeat them, and you’re going to be healthy no matter what your choices are. I really feel like whether you want to be vegan, whether you want to be omnivorous and kind of eat protein from meats, and also have your fruits and vegetables, or whether you want to be maybe like—honestly, you could be healthy eating nothing but meat. I really believe that. Just like an animal. I know that sounds crazy, like, “You need your fruits and vegetables,” but it actually is possible because look at the animal kingdom. And then you might say that you need your fiber, but you actually produce butyrate in these situations and you don’t need the fiber, so that’s a whole other show, potentially.
But, you can be healthy. The key is if we were to go back, this whole idea of Paleo and primal and ancestral, and all these terms that come up now like the Whole 30 diet, the Tom Brady diet plan, and all this stuff. I mean, it’s essentially, we can go back. I know that it’s hard to say what everyone was eating hundreds of thousands of years ago, but I know a hundred years ago we weren’t having our rBGH or rBST, which is a bovine growth hormone and bovine steroids. We weren’t having antibiotics. We weren’t having GMOs, Genetically Modified Organisms. We weren’t having artificial colors, artificial sweeteners. We weren’t having all these things that we’re getting now. We weren’t having all these processed foods. We weren’t having sugar. Right?
We weren’t having like honeys and sugars, and brown sugar, and sucralose, and aspartame, and all these ingredients that are really driving our consumption to keep eating, that are cheap, which is why people make them. Because they’re cheap, that gives them profit and it makes you addicted, so you keep eating them. These are the foods that they want you to eat. They want you to eat this fast food, this junk food, this stuff. They don’t want you to just eat whole food, healthy food.
Shawn: I mean, because you don’t overeat that. That’s the stuff that keeps you healthy. So, yes, I believe the Tom Brady diet plan is absolutely healthy because I know he’s eating this amazing diet of plants and vegetables, and they’re organic, and they’re being cooked in the best possible way to maintain their nutrients. And he’s sourcing whatever’s fresh because he has these great chefs and they’re aware of what fruits and vegetables are fresh and in season, and absolutely delicious. But he’s watching his calories and he knows exactly what his exertion is, his caloric expenditure is, from being an athlete, and he’s working with a dietitian on that.
And then he’s making healthy choices all over his life. Not just with his diet. In other words, it’s not just the Tom Brady diet plan that is what makes him so successful.
Shawn: He’s getting the sleep he needs. He’s not going out and doing drugs. He’s not blowing his money. He actually probably has his money saved. He has someone handling that. He has someone accounting for that, and he doesn’t have that stress. And he has probably someone taking care of his yard and his properties, and whatever, and he has things dialed-in in a way that’s healthiest for his brain to be clear and focused for every Sunday. And his preparation throughout the week revolves around Sunday.
Shawn: Or if it’s a Monday night game or whatever it is. But, I mean, it’s a very dialed regimen that he’s carried out in a very effective way. So, I would say it’s not just the Tom Brady diet plan. It’s Tom Brady making sound decisions throughout his life that have led to this point of him being of very sound mind. He probably has mindful meditation. He probably knows how to deeply relax, very quickly. He probably lets things roll off him. He has a mindset of a winner of somebody that can succeed over years, decades really. You know, he started football probably at 10. Now he’s 40, and here he is still succeeding.
Shawn: Going back to the stoic thing—I think this is a cool point though—and thinking of Tom Brady being that type of person is that you think about failure, right? And successful people, if you look at very successful people, they don’t look at it as failure. If you look at Elon Musk and Bill Gates, and all these people; and this would include Tom Brady, Michael Jordan, and people like that. Michael Jordan talks about he’s missed all these game-winning shots.
Shawn: And that’s why he succeeds. And then Ted Williams says even when he was like .400 and broke the record for batting average, he still was missing the majority of the time.
Shawn: So, people that are super successful, view them as experiments, view them as okay because greatness comes out of trying. If you’re worried about failing, you will never achieve greatness. You have to view it as acceptable and ideal. Not even just acceptable that you fail, that it’s good that you fail. I think it was Thomas Edison that said. He was an inventor and he said, “Now I know what it’s not.”
Shawn He’s wasn’t a failure. Like no, now I know what it’s not. So now I can go on and try this other thing.
Tim: One step closer, yeah.
Shawn: Yeah, we were one step closer. Exactly. So, you have to think about that in your life. What are these so-called “failures” and view them differently. This goes back to what I was talking about, perspective. So, Tom Brady has lost in the Super Bowl. He’s had super close games that he lost and then people are like, “Oh, Brady sucks. He’s a gagger.” It didn’t even matter that he’s won three before that! It was like, “Ah, he sucks.” There comes the haters. They’re back. But then the next year when he wins they all kind of go away, “Oh yeah, Brady’s always been great.”
Shawn: It’s funny. It’s like, okay, they come and they go, but now he’s Greatest Of All Time, but if he was to lose this year, “Ah, Brady’s…” It’s ridiculous how people are.
Tim: Down, down, going downhill.
Shawn: Yeah, “He’s getting old, he needs to wrap it up.” Like wait, you’re just saying how great he was. So there’s never any shortage of haters, that’s for sure. But life is about perspective and I think it helps—we’ve talked about this on other shows, too—Brady has probably surrounded himself with some really great people. He has a great coach, in Bill Belichick, who’s considered “the best.” And he has a great wife, who’s very beautiful. But I think they’ve been a successful marriage. He has people that have told him how to spend his money, how to save his money. He has people that are, again, dietitians and chefs, and whatever, that are helping him make great decisions. So, I think you have to look at the big picture.
Tim: Yeah, absolutely.
Shawn: And the value of the Tom Brady diet plan is not an alkaline/acidic thing. I really don’t think it is. So, don’t get caught up into something that’s too faddish.
Shawn: Hypie. The Tom Brady diet plan is an example of him making great decisions. He’s making great eating decisions and he’s making great life decisions, and that’s why he’s successful.
Tim: Yeah, I don’t even want to really follow up anything there because that was powerful in so many different ways. I think I could build on a couple points, if you don’t mind?
Tim: One, it sounds to me like what we’re saying is that the Tom Brady diet plan is not necessarily what the alkaline diet is, but what it isn’t.
Shawn: That’s a great point, Tim. Phenomenal point.
Tim: And we’ve talked about that with other diets, too; however, is there power with eating more fruits and vegetables? Yes, but a lot of a lot of things when we talk about gut health, even. It’s not just about what you’re eating, it’s what you’re not eating that’s important.
Tim: So, I think we have to look at it from that standpoint, so maybe that’s what’s going on here. From a science standpoint, there isn’t any, really. There’s no long-term studies that show the alkaline diet is doing all the things that people are saying that it does. And I think that’s where, as evidence-based people, that’s like the most frustrating thing is when there’s just these outlandish claims about something that not really there.
Anyway, that’s kind of my summary on the alkaline diet and the Tom Brady diet plan. I do you think that from a healthy aging standpoint, protein is really important, so even if you do gravitate towards a plant-based diet, make sure that you’re getting plenty of protein. If you believe that animal products are acceptable in your diet, then you want to make sure you’re getting enough of those from a quality protein standpoint. If not, then I think a plant-based protein supplement is pretty foundational for someone who doesn’t consume animal proteins.
Shawn: But I feel like there’s very few good-tasting plant-based proteins out there.
Tim: I’ve tried very, very few until just recently.
Shawn: I’m just kidding here. But since we’re in R&D, Tim and I, we just finished an incredible product. I try not to be too pushy on the show with our products. We do make great products and we’re very proud of them. I don’t want this ever to feel like a commercial.
Shawn: I want it to be educational. I want it to be for everyone, whether you buy BioTrust or not. Hopefully you appreciate the quality and knowledge that’s going into our products from the show, but I don’t want to ever be pushy on the show. But I will say that I really feel like we knocked it out of the park…
Shawn: …with Harvest Complete Plant Protein. It’s a plant protein that has three different sources. It has a pea, pumpkin, and hemp, and it tastes amazing. So good. We tried so many plant proteins that were gritty. They had a weird aftertaste. I think like if you had it on your shelf or on your counter, you just kind of keep looking at it every day and you’re like, “Hm, I know I should have that, but ah, what can I add to it,” like sugar and stuff like orange juice to make it palatable, like in yogurt and all these things.
But this stuff tastes good with just adding water. It’s a creamy milkshake-like texture. It’s delicious. We have vanilla caramel and a chocolate brownie, and they’re phenomenal. You could cook with them, you can make a shake with them and they’re just delicious.
So, if you are a plant-based person, if you’re vegan, flexitarian—which is the new term‑‑and vegetarian. You just like getting more plants in your diet, but you should definitely be concerned with getting enough protein, like Tim was saying, to maintain your lean body mass and health as you age. It’s really about healthy aging, to get that protein in. But do you want to explain the term maybe quickly before we end, because I don’t know if everyone knows vegan, vegetarian, flexitarian.
Tim: Yeah definitely. I’ll do the best I can. One more thing that I did want to mention when you were talking about the Tom Brady diet plan and how he’s making all these choices that are positive.
Tim: And this is this applies to everyone. He has a very clear “Why,” right?
Shawn: Yes, “Start With Your Why” by Simon Sinek. Yes.
Tim: Exactly. He knows exactly what’s the most important thing. He has his priority and he makes the appropriate decisions based on those priorities. So, I encourage anyone who’s listening to really think about what’s truly important to you. And if getting healthier, losing weight, whatever it is, if that is important to you, write it down. But really peel back the layers and ask yourself why that’s important to you. Do you need to gain control in your life? What is it that makes that goal so important to you? Write it down. Then once you have that priority etched in your mind’s eye, it becomes much easier to make those changes, to make the right decisions.
So when you have your priority, you start to reciprocate that with your behaviors, actions, and attitudes. I just wanted to mention that.
Shawn: I love that.
Tim: Tom Brady, that’s what he’s doing. That’s what the Tom Brady diet plan represents. And Michael Jordan, that’s what he was doing. Making the right decisions for what was most important to him. Whether or not you agree with what’s important to them is up to you, but all that matters is them.
So quickly, veganism, vegetarianism, and flexitarianism. Veganism would be—and there’s branches of each of these, essentially, but veganism would basically be someone who eats only plant-based products, plant-based foods. So no animal products, no eggs, no dairy, nothing like that. Then you have like raw veganism and stuff like that, but just completely plant-based eating only.
Vegetarianism is one that I have a hard time defining because it seems like there’s so many different branches. So, a vegetarian would also be someone who eats exclusively or predominantly, if not exclusively, plant-based foods.
Shawn: Or you can have a lacto-ovo or pescetarian or whatever. Pescetarian would be fish, and then lacto-ovo means lacto means milk and ovo means egg.
Tim: Right, exactly. To me, vegetarianism is very blurry. And then flexitarianism is kind of this trend that you have where people are eating predominantly plant-based foods but aren’t giving up meat and other animal-based products.
Shawn: Right. And the idea really started with—it’s not so much being healthier. I don’t know that the data really shows that. Again, especially when you tease out overproduced foods, but a lot of the decision is either made around ethics of what’s happening to animals. Or now, the new one is what’s happening to our ecological environment and sustainability. Right. So that’s becoming a discussion as well as being kind to not only these animals and seeing them as partners in your world, but then also being kind to the world itself. And so that’s a bigger debate because just like for example, like one cow takes up so many acres of land and then uses like so much water, and it’s just a massive resource strain to get that protein, versus bugs, for example.
Shawn: Which I know people aren’t thrilled about, but there are like cricket protein and things like this. Obviously, nuts or whatever, there’s other sources of protein that are that are far less resource-straining. So I think that’s where a lot of the mindset comes from and a lot of the drive in the news lately with vegan, vegetarian, flexitarianism comes from. So we thought we’d educate you on that.
But we wanted to wrap up the episode, and hopefully you enjoyed this episode where we covered Tom Brady, the Tom Brady diet plan, being successful, stoicism, the alkaline diets, all the stuff. Flexitarianism, what is it. So, hopefully you enjoyed all that we covered. It’s your show so we appreciate you from BioTrust Radio and check us out on future episodes and go to BioTrust VIP on Facebook and go to our blog and ask us questions and direct our content and we’ll do whatever you say you want us to do and we all appreciate it. So, thank you from Shawn.
Tim: Thank you, guys. Be kind to one another. Be kind of the world.
Shawn: All right. See you guys.